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		<title>By: Steven Pemberton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven Pemberton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Criticising Jakob Nielsen for not having an aesthetic website is like criticising a gun designer for being a bad shot, or a choir conductor for having a bad singing voice. It misses the point.

And as far as I recall, he only reports on actual results of tests with people using websites, so they are not opinions you can disagree with. If you think his tests were wrong, then you should run your own tests to prove it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criticising Jakob Nielsen for not having an aesthetic website is like criticising a gun designer for being a bad shot, or a choir conductor for having a bad singing voice. It misses the point.</p>
<p>And as far as I recall, he only reports on actual results of tests with people using websites, so they are not opinions you can disagree with. If you think his tests were wrong, then you should run your own tests to prove it.</p>
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		<title>By: Undercurrent: Two Rivers Marketing BlogHow user interface can affect search engine optimization &#187; Undercurrent: Two Rivers Marketing Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Undercurrent: Two Rivers Marketing BlogHow user interface can affect search engine optimization &#187; Undercurrent: Two Rivers Marketing Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] some debates remain about user experience design, e.g., Jakob Nielsen vs. The Designers, in the marketing business a website needs to be both beautiful and functional. In addition to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] some debates remain about user experience design, e.g., Jakob Nielsen vs. The Designers, in the marketing business a website needs to be both beautiful and functional. In addition to [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Matt,

I found your article as I was writing mine about Nielsen&#039;s Useit.com. I agree with you about trying to have a balance between usability and design. In defense of his website, Nielsen has referred to Don Norman&#039;s book &quot;Emotional Design&quot;, which states designs work at 3 levels: visceral (the initial impact/appearance), behavioural (look and feel; total experience of using the object) and reflective (the prestige or how people feel about it afterward). Nielsen says his website works really well at the reflective level and quite well at the behavioural level. He admits it sometimes annoy people at the visceral level. What I don&#039;t understand is why he doesn&#039;t try to make it work at the visceral level as well? Norman&#039;s book does have a chapter about how attractive things are perceived to work better by users. But it seems Nielsen chooses to ignore this.

Anyway, in my article, I also mention a few elements I feel are usability issues: the lack of a menu, questionable terminology and content organization, no real site identity, and some hard-to-scan pages. You can read my arguments here: http://www.webandgadgets.com/why-i-dont-like-jakob-nielsens-useit-com/

As for tables, haven&#039;t you heard? It was determined in 2009 that you can now use them, see rule #10 here: http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/06/10-web-design-rules-that-you-can-break/

;)

Mary]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Matt,</p>
<p>I found your article as I was writing mine about Nielsen&#8217;s Useit.com. I agree with you about trying to have a balance between usability and design. In defense of his website, Nielsen has referred to Don Norman&#8217;s book &#8220;Emotional Design&#8221;, which states designs work at 3 levels: visceral (the initial impact/appearance), behavioural (look and feel; total experience of using the object) and reflective (the prestige or how people feel about it afterward). Nielsen says his website works really well at the reflective level and quite well at the behavioural level. He admits it sometimes annoy people at the visceral level. What I don&#8217;t understand is why he doesn&#8217;t try to make it work at the visceral level as well? Norman&#8217;s book does have a chapter about how attractive things are perceived to work better by users. But it seems Nielsen chooses to ignore this.</p>
<p>Anyway, in my article, I also mention a few elements I feel are usability issues: the lack of a menu, questionable terminology and content organization, no real site identity, and some hard-to-scan pages. You can read my arguments here: <a href="http://www.webandgadgets.com/why-i-dont-like-jakob-nielsens-useit-com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.webandgadgets.com/w.....useit-com/</a></p>
<p>As for tables, haven&#8217;t you heard? It was determined in 2009 that you can now use them, see rule #10 here: <a href="http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/06/10-web-design-rules-that-you-can-break/" rel="nofollow">http://www.webdesignerdepot.co.....can-break/</a></p>
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<p>Mary</p>
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		<title>By: Web &#38; Gadgets &#124; Why I Don&#8217;t Like Jakob Nielsen&#8217;s Useit.com</title>
		<link>https://www.webmaster-source.com/2008/12/19/jakob-nielsen-vs-the-designers/#comment-11800</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Web &#38; Gadgets &#124; Why I Don&#8217;t Like Jakob Nielsen&#8217;s Useit.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] In 2008, Webmaster-Source posted an article criticizing Nielsen for focusing exclusively on usability. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] In 2008, Webmaster-Source posted an article criticizing Nielsen for focusing exclusively on usability. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: redwall_hp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[redwall_hp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It has been proven that the look of a site matters greatly in web design. Failing to hire a designer and build a site up to today&#039;s standards, standards that Nielsen had a hand in setting, is just plain folly. 
 
The site doesn&#039;t meet many of Nielsen&#039;s own principles, which is quite ridiculous. The site is hard to read, and not really scannable. The individual article pages, but the front page, the main navigational method, is a mess. The clashing color scheme makes matters worse. 
 
I have nothing against Nielsen&#039;s writings, but he could do to follow them himself. 
 
Oh, and &lt;em&gt;tables?&lt;/em&gt; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been proven that the look of a site matters greatly in web design. Failing to hire a designer and build a site up to today&#039;s standards, standards that Nielsen had a hand in setting, is just plain folly. </p>
<p>The site doesn&#039;t meet many of Nielsen&#039;s own principles, which is quite ridiculous. The site is hard to read, and not really scannable. The individual article pages, but the front page, the main navigational method, is a mess. The clashing color scheme makes matters worse. </p>
<p>I have nothing against Nielsen&#039;s writings, but he could do to follow them himself. </p>
<p>Oh, and <em>tables?</em> </p>
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		<title>By: Carsten B.N.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carsten B.N.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Calling Jakob Nielsen a hypocrite because of his web design, well, isn&#039;t it directly critiquing a scientist because he&#039;s not a good designer? An unrealistic expectation. His job is finding information and making conclusions from it, just look at the prices for those full reports. 
 
The information that Jakob Nielsen and others bring us as web designers is invaluable. He should be mandatory reading for any serious web designer, and having read him, he does indeed encourage web designers to take of his information and make the Web a much more comfortable place. Aesthetics are not being undermined here. 
 
Thinking it does is a sign that one has not read his texts clearly enough - I&#039;d recommend seeking a career in print rather than web design because it is an entirely different form of design. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling Jakob Nielsen a hypocrite because of his web design, well, isn&#039;t it directly critiquing a scientist because he&#039;s not a good designer? An unrealistic expectation. His job is finding information and making conclusions from it, just look at the prices for those full reports. </p>
<p>The information that Jakob Nielsen and others bring us as web designers is invaluable. He should be mandatory reading for any serious web designer, and having read him, he does indeed encourage web designers to take of his information and make the Web a much more comfortable place. Aesthetics are not being undermined here. </p>
<p>Thinking it does is a sign that one has not read his texts clearly enough &#8211; I&#039;d recommend seeking a career in print rather than web design because it is an entirely different form of design. </p>
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		<title>By: Steven Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven Clark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the same time we should realise that usability expert doesn&#039;t mean graphic designer or web developer. Plenty of info architects and card sorters and researchers have never hit code in their lives. I&#039;d find it a pretty boring career myself, although usability itself is interesting enough. Recently reading Indi Young&#039;s Mental Models I found the entire mid section partly interesting and mostly jaw gnawingly tedious. Some people thrive on the same book though, go figure ha ha.

You make a valid point though between practitioner and researcher. Once we recognise that Jacob Nielsen is a researcher it should become pretty obvious that his site would be crap from the web design stance. So I tend not to expect it of him. I&#039;m more interested in the book coming out in a few months about eye tracking research.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the same time we should realise that usability expert doesn&#8217;t mean graphic designer or web developer. Plenty of info architects and card sorters and researchers have never hit code in their lives. I&#8217;d find it a pretty boring career myself, although usability itself is interesting enough. Recently reading Indi Young&#8217;s Mental Models I found the entire mid section partly interesting and mostly jaw gnawingly tedious. Some people thrive on the same book though, go figure ha ha.</p>
<p>You make a valid point though between practitioner and researcher. Once we recognise that Jacob Nielsen is a researcher it should become pretty obvious that his site would be crap from the web design stance. So I tend not to expect it of him. I&#8217;m more interested in the book coming out in a few months about eye tracking research.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 04:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Joshua Clanton, I agree with &quot;design = aesthetics + usability.&quot; Both are important, but if a site has a lot of one, and not much of the other, it&#039;s not as good a design as it could be. I agree that it does have a bit of a resemblance to the 37signals blog, but 37signals has done a much better job in my opinion. There&#039;s plenty of whitespace, the text is laid-out and sized in an easy to read manner. It looks much better organized, and though it&#039;s a little light on visual style, it looks a lot more tasteful than Nielsen&#039;s site. Perhaps SVN is UseIt.com the way it &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; look?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joshua Clanton, I agree with &#8220;design = aesthetics + usability.&#8221; Both are important, but if a site has a lot of one, and not much of the other, it&#8217;s not as good a design as it could be. I agree that it does have a bit of a resemblance to the 37signals blog, but 37signals has done a much better job in my opinion. There&#8217;s plenty of whitespace, the text is laid-out and sized in an easy to read manner. It looks much better organized, and though it&#8217;s a little light on visual style, it looks a lot more tasteful than Nielsen&#8217;s site. Perhaps SVN is UseIt.com the way it <em>should</em> look?</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Clanton</title>
		<link>https://www.webmaster-source.com/2008/12/19/jakob-nielsen-vs-the-designers/#comment-5634</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joshua Clanton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting thoughts, though I would hesitate to say that Nielsen&#039;s site is badly designed until you specify what you mean by design.

In my typical usage, design = aesthetics + usability. While useit.com certainly does poorly on the aesthetics front, it does so well on the usability front that I&#039;d still call it good design. In fact, it bears a rather striking resemblance to 37Signals blog design (svn.37signals.com).

Regarding hiring another designer to design your site, I don&#039;t find that problematic in the least. A lot of people have trouble writing/designing for themselves because of a perfectionist streak, but put out amazing work for others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thoughts, though I would hesitate to say that Nielsen&#8217;s site is badly designed until you specify what you mean by design.</p>
<p>In my typical usage, design = aesthetics + usability. While useit.com certainly does poorly on the aesthetics front, it does so well on the usability front that I&#8217;d still call it good design. In fact, it bears a rather striking resemblance to 37Signals blog design (svn.37signals.com).</p>
<p>Regarding hiring another designer to design your site, I don&#8217;t find that problematic in the least. A lot of people have trouble writing/designing for themselves because of a perfectionist streak, but put out amazing work for others.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Steven, but if you&#039;re trying to be an authority on such matters, shouldn&#039;t your website adhere to them? It doesn&#039;t give a good first impression, that&#039;s for sure.

I recall one of his books saying that the reason the site hasn&#039;t ever had a redesign is because of branding. It&#039;s recognizable, so it&#039;s stayed the same. I think that&#039;s a big mistake. A web site such as Nielsen&#039;s (and don&#039;t get me stated on the W3C, Steven...) should be built to follow the guidelines they&#039;re preaching.

I know that Nielsen is one of the ones behind much important research, and I agree with plenty of his theories, and disagree with others. But his books seem to recommend overzealous usability design with no regard for aesthetics at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steven, but if you&#8217;re trying to be an authority on such matters, shouldn&#8217;t your website adhere to them? It doesn&#8217;t give a good first impression, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
<p>I recall one of his books saying that the reason the site hasn&#8217;t ever had a redesign is because of branding. It&#8217;s recognizable, so it&#8217;s stayed the same. I think that&#8217;s a big mistake. A web site such as Nielsen&#8217;s (and don&#8217;t get me stated on the W3C, Steven&#8230;) should be built to follow the guidelines they&#8217;re preaching.</p>
<p>I know that Nielsen is one of the ones behind much important research, and I agree with plenty of his theories, and disagree with others. But his books seem to recommend overzealous usability design with no regard for aesthetics at all.</p>
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