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		<title>Oh No They Didn&#8217;t! Microsoft and Web Standards</title>
		<link>https://www.webmaster-source.com/2008/09/08/oh-no-they-didnt-microsoft-and-web-standards/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember the big deal Microsoft made about how Internet Explorer 8 would finally be standards compliant. Aside from some odd stuff they were doing, it looked like they were actually putting in an effort to follow through with their promise, or at least something close to it. Apparently, the a lot of of web pages [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember the big deal Microsoft made about how Internet Explorer 8 would finally be standards compliant. Aside from some odd stuff they were doing, it looked like they were actually putting in an effort to follow through with their promise, or at least something close to it.</p>
<p>Apparently, the a lot of of web pages will load in IE7 mode instead of standards mode. <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/29/hakon_lie_ie8_interoperability/">The Register has the full details</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>This week, the promise was broken. It lasted less than six months. Now that Internet Explorer IE8 beta 2 is released, we know that many, if not most, pages viewed in IE8 will not be shown in standards mode by default. The dirty secret is buried deep down in the «Compatibility view» configuration panel, where the «Display intranet sites in Compatibility View» box is checked by default. Thus, by default, intranet pages are not viewed in standards mode.</p></blockquote>
<p>So all intranet sites will be shown in non-standards mode. Then we have all the <a href="http://realtech.burningbird.net/standards/bobbing-heads-and-the-ie8-meta-tag/">version targetting nonsense</a> they&#8217;ve been planning.</p>
<p>Oh, and guess what happens whenever a page loads in standards mode? A little icon appears showing a broken page. When clicked, it forces the page into &#8220;IE7 compatibility&#8221; mode. So the browser tricks people into not using standards mode.<span id="more-788"></span></p>
<blockquote><p>The picture shows a broken page. A broken page? Why is broken page icon shown next to standards-compliant pages? The idea, apparently, is to encourage users to escape standards-mode by clicking on the broken page. There&#8217;s a dastardly logic here: showing a broken page may make users wonder if they are seeing pages correctly. Authors are probably not too thrilled by having a broken page shown next to their pages, and the only way to avoid the icon is to not trigger standards mode. The message is clear: don&#8217;t use standards!</p></blockquote>
<p>A broken page icon! Can you <em>believe</em> that?</p>
<p>Here I was thinking Microsoft was finally putting some effort into getting their act together in the browser department. Forget that. Microsoft, what is your problem? This rubbish will only hurt you, and the entire internet to boot, in the long run.</p>
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		<title>Internet Explorer 8: The Next IE5?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I installed the Internet Explorer 8 beta a few days ago, and I&#8217;ve tested some sites in it. So far, I&#8217;m not really impressed. It seems to pass the ACID2 test, but there are plenty of rendering bugs that drive me crazy&#8230;and they had better be fixed by the time the final release is out. [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I installed the Internet Explorer 8 beta a few days ago, and I&#8217;ve tested some sites in it. So far, I&#8217;m not really impressed. It seems to pass the <a href="http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/">ACID2 test</a>, but there are plenty of rendering bugs that drive me crazy&#8230;and they had better be fixed by the time the final release is out.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very well aware that the browser is in beta, but I can&#8217;t help but be worried about this. Some pages seem to render worse than ever, and I can&#8217;t help but think &#8220;Are these bugs, or some sort of ploy to keep things as they&#8217;ve been?&#8221; It&#8217;s not really in Microsoft&#8217;s best interests to be fully standards compliant, after all.</p>
<p>Here are just a few examples of the render bugs I&#8217;ve noticed:<span id="more-463"></span></p>
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<li>WSC&#8217;s footer appears halfway down the page, right at the end of the sidebar, not at the bottom of the page where it belongs.</li>
<li>The contents of Facebook&#8217;s main page are squished funny.</li>
<li>The search bar on Apple.com appears below it&#8217;s parent navigation bar, instead of inside it.</li>
<li>Digg&#8217;s header doesn&#8217;t match-up with the top of the screen, and has a bunch of extra padding below the navigational links.</li>
<li>WebDesignerWall.com doesn&#8217;t look very good. The background image (which is most of the design) does not line-up correctly, because there is at least 800px of extra space inserted above the content.</li>
<li>FreelanceSwitch.com looks horrible, and we&#8217;ll leave it at that.</li>
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<p>Few sites have escaped its horrible rendering issues. Again, I <em>know</em> IE8 is in beta. But I wonder, how on Earth did it pass the ACID2 test with such horrible problems? Did they just adjust things until all of the ACID2 elements lined-up, messing everything else up?</p>
<p>I hope things improve.</p>
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		<title>On IE8&#8217;s Controversial &#8220;Standards Mode&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Internet Explorer version 8, to be released later this year, will, by default, render web pages the same way as IE7. If the meta tag &#60;meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=8" /&#62; is detected in a page&#8217;s header, it will render in the new ACID2-compliant mode. This is a bad idea, for several reasons. First of all, Microsoft, [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internet Explorer version 8, to be released later this year, will, by default, render web pages the same way as IE7. If the meta tag <code>&lt;meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=8" /&gt;</code> is detected in a page&#8217;s header, it will render in the new <a href="http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/">ACID2-compliant</a> mode. This is a bad idea, for several reasons.</p>
<p>First of all, Microsoft, again, is <strong>trying to force us to build web pages for IE specifically</strong>. If the X-UA-Compatible tag is not found, then a page will not render in the standards-compliant mode. So, basically, <strong>you&#8217;re having to specifically instruct IE to follow the standard, which it&#8217;s supposed to follow anyway</strong>. Does that make any sense? No. It seems like another ploy to maintain their monopoly. After all, if most pages work in any browser, there is less reason for people to continue using IE.</p>
<p>Microsoft claims that the meta tag exists so manually-updated web pages won&#8217;t break when IE8 comes around. <em>Manually updated?</em> If you&#8217;re still doing that, you&#8217;re just asking for trouble. Take this as an opportunity to move away from a manually-updated site. While you&#8217;re making your design standards-compliant, install a CMS, or at least start using <a href="http://us.php.net/include/">PHP includes</a>. Also, as <a href="http://realtech.burningbird.net/standards/bobbing-heads-and-the-ie8-meta-tag/">Bb&#8217;s RealTech</a> said:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The argument for this tag is actually the number one argument against this tag: those people with hand crafted pages are not going to be willing to hand edit each page to make it standards compliant–why on earth would they hand edit each of these pages to add this tag? As for being able to test a site against a version of a browser–this site looks good in IE7, but not IE8, or some such nonsense–when are we finally going to actually commit to standards? Not just as browser vendors, but as web page designers and developers? More importantly, as people who use browsers to surf the web?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Instead, <strong>IE8 should check the DOCTYPE</strong>. If it&#8217;s XHTML Strict, then use the standards mode. If it&#8217;s HTML transitional, or absent, use the IE7 engine. I&#8217;m guessing that a lot of the people who would run into the problem Microsoft talks of wouldn&#8217;t be using XHTML. It&#8217;s much easier to manually-update HTML than strict XHTML after all. Or IE8 could validate the entire markup in-browser, and if it&#8217;s not standards-compliant, render in IE7 mode, and display an icon to show that the page isn&#8217;t compliant. <strong>At the very least, they should make the standards-mode default, and have the meta tag specify IE7 mode instead.</strong> Microsoft needs to base their trigger off of an existing feature of (X)HTML, rather than inventing proprietary tags.</p>
<p><em>Edit: I wrote this post before <a href="http://www.news.com/8301-13860_3-9884688-56.html?part=rss&amp;subj=news&amp;tag=2547-1_3-0-20">Microsoft changed their minds</a>. You read my mind, didn&#8217;t you, Microsoft? But couldn&#8217;t you wait until the post went live?</em></p>
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		<title>BlogBuzz March 1, 2008</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Microsoft to launch beta of Internet Explorer 8 &#8211; Internet Exploder 8 is coming soon. Is Microsoft even listening to our protests about the &#60;meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=8" /&#62; meta tag? I will be talking about this insidious new &#8220;feature&#8221; more in-depth sometime in the next few days. 99 Sites ALL Designers Must Know About &#8211; [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<li><a href="http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9877885-7.html?part=rss&amp;subj=news&amp;tag=2547-1_3-0-20">Microsoft to launch beta of Internet Explorer 8</a> &#8211; Internet Exploder 8 is coming soon. Is Microsoft even listening to our protests about the <code>&lt;meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=8" /&gt;</code> meta tag? I will be talking about this insidious new &#8220;feature&#8221; more in-depth sometime in the next few days.</li>
<li><a href="http://justcreativedesign.com/2008/02/25/99-graphic-design-resources/">99 Sites ALL Designers Must Know About</a> &#8211; There are plenty of familiar sites in this list, and quite a few ones that are new to me. The post lives up to its title; If you&#8217;re a designer, or an aspiring designer, then this post is definitely worth a look.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.skelliewag.org/whats-it-like-to-run-a-popular-blog-236.htm">What’s it Like to Run a Popular Blog?</a> &#8211; &#8220;Running a well-established blog, while challenging, is very much worth it. It takes a lot of hard work to achieve, though — and a lot of time.&#8221;</li>
<li><a href="http://webhypes.com/blogging/improvement/15-wordpress-plugins-that-a-professional-blog-should-install">15 WordPress plugins that a professional blog should install</a> &#8211; I use several of these plugins, though this post has encouraged me to try a few others. Oh, and I&#8217;m sure you can guess what the first one on the list is&#8230;</li>
<li><a href="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080226-bad-flavor-icann-network-solutions-sued-for-domain-tasting.html">Bad flavor: ICANN, Network Solutions sued for domain tasting</a> &#8211; Why ICANN? Network Solutions was the one <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_tasting">tasting</a> the domains. Why should ICANN be responsible for a registrar&#8217;s nefarious activity?</li>
<li><a href="http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/02/26/navigation-menus-trends-and-examples/">Navigation Menus: Trends and Examples</a> &#8211; Navigational inspiration, Smashing-style.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.joostdevalk.nl/wordpress-25-plugin-settings-pages-style-guide/">WordPress 2.5 Plugin Settings Pages Style Guide</a> &#8211; If you&#8217;re a plugin developer, you may want to see this post.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.fadtastic.net/2008/02/12/25-ways-to-improve-your-site-in-5-minutes/">25 Ways To Improve Your Site In 5 Minutes</a></li>
<li>Voting has started for the <a href="http://www.webware.com/html/ww/100/2008/index.html">2008 Webware 100 Awards</a>. Be sure to vote for WordPress!</li>
<li><a href="http://www.johnmwillis.com/other/top-10-worst-captchas/">Top 10 Worst Captchas</a> &#8211; Don&#8217;t make your Captchas like these ones!</li>
<li><a href="http://www.thebigwordproject.com/">The Big Word Project</a> &#8211; Another innovative concept along the lines of the notorious Million Dollar Homepage. It&#8217;s a dictionary of sorts, where, for $1 per letter, your site can be the new definition of the word. Instead of linking to a normal dictionary definition, the word will link to your site instead. Too bad the words I would consider buying aren&#8217;t in their so-called dictionary&#8230;</li>
<li><a href="http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-03/ff_free?currentPage=all">Free! Why $0.00 Is the Future of Business</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/02/29/best-of-february-2008/">Smashing Magazine Best Of February 2008</a></li>
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